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Took my 8mo dog to the vet – we had issues..?

Question by danalia.: Took my 8mo dog to the vet – we had issues..?

I took my 8mo male dog of mixed breed to the vet today for his first “puppy” shots – we neglected to give him the shots when we first got him about 5 months ago or so.
He weighs 100 pounds.
We have had absolutely no issues with him with anyone at all – be it strangers or friends, we’ve never had issues with other peoples’ dogs, and he’s been trained extensively and is, as it should be, still training on a continued basis.

The problem was this: when we got to the reception area, he was fine, but once a few smaller dogs [a dachshund, a corgi mix, etc.] came in and the dachshund was running around – he started barking. It wasn’t his “warning” bark, it was his “let’s play” bark. Of course – we were ushered into the room to be taken care of [it was our turn anyway].
We got him in, they did a physical, and then she had to take him back to get his shots.
We heard him barking in response to another dogs’ yipping which had been going on the entire time we were in there – and then we heard nothing.
Apparently, they had tried to give him the shot but he wasn’t settled down and they ended up muzzling him because he became “aggressive”.
The only barking we heard was the ever insistent other dogs’, and his continuous response bark – it never changed pitch, consistency, or meaning.

Either way.
The lady, the Vet Tech, came back out with him and told us that we needed to do “behavioral training” every day because of the issue.

What, precisely, is their idea of “behavioral training”?
We’ve never had an issue with him before, and although he was quite obviously taken away from his littermates too early [we received him from people who were cousins of the ignorant breeders], he’s never had problems at all – we made sure of it.

Any help?
Nikko – If you have an issue with the fact that my parents never see a reason to vaccinate a dog, and the only reason they allowed me to get his vaccinations done is because he’s getting neutered – then you can shove it because I really don’t give a crap if you want to make yourself look “better” to your friends and Y!A buddies.

And I know full well what “behavioral training” for an actually aggressive dog is. My dog, having been fully trained by a professional, as well as continued training by myself with my personal experience – is not aggressive.
No, I don’t have 20+ years experience training dogs, but I do have 16 years worth of being around, training, and caring for my family’s own dogs.

Thank you to the other answerers who gave actual help on this issue. I will consider finding another vet – but with the above issue at hand, it’s a far fetch that I was able to even take him to this one.
As for why they took him from the room —
They have the reception area, then two or three rooms for “waiting” with the dogs who need to get shots/taken into care/looked at/etc. – and then from those rooms is another lobby area where the Vets and Vet Techs are located – and then another few rooms for where they take dogs for the actual prepping and administering of things.
I’m not entirely sure as to exactly why they took him out of the room, but it might possibly be because the table they would had to have had him on for giving the shot was about 3.5 feet high, and it’s quite nearly impossible to lift him onto the table.
Gud – we’ve been trying to get him into different situations with dogs, other than get-togethers, walks in parks, play-dates, etc. – but it’s quite difficult as we live in a rural area and there’s not much that goes on involving dogs except working on farms.
Also, the time at which he was barking at the other barking dog he was not in our care – the V.T. had taken him into the back room to administer the shot and we were not with him. We settled him down with the dogs in the reception area for a good 5 or so minutes before we were called into the room, and he hadn’t been barking to try and play for anything more than two to three minutes.

Thanks again for the answers provided.

Best answer:

Answer by proffestional spelerr
i think you are fine, the vets must have been retarded or something. you may want to change vets if they are so uncooperative. your dog has no problems at all. there are more vicious dogs who bark more who misbehave the whole time at a vet, and the vets dont say a thing. that is out of line for someone that YOU ARE PAYING to tell you that your dog is bad.

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  • I would find out EXACTLY what he did that made the tech muzzle him. Find Out What EXACTLY she saw that was “aggressive”.

    If it’s a legit concern, then contact a behaviourist/trainer to help work it out. If it’s not, then speak with the vet PERSONALLY about this vet tech’s problem.

    You can ask for shots to be given in the room with you.

  • Well, you’ll never know what really happened because they took your dog out of the room. I can’t understand why they did that, I’ve never had (nor would I allow) my dog to be taken out of my sight for treatment.

    Lots of dogs are nervous at the vet’s office without them adding to his stress by separating him from you. There’s strange smells in there, people in white coats, other dogs, an examining table, they’re being restrained and don’t know what’s happening to them. Your puppy has no experience behind him to help him, either.

    What I’d do is find a different vet. If you’ve been socializing your puppy and have never had a problem, don’t worry about this too much. But next time, don’t let them take him out of the room to give him shots. He’ll feel much more confident with you there.

  • “What, precisely, is their idea of “behavioral training”?”
    – Why don’t you ask the person who said it in the first place?

  • Your vet takes the dags to another room for shots? Hell no would I ever let my vet do that. Get a new vet immediately. Did you know if your dog bites a vet you are responsible and can get sued. How do you know if your vet was trying to provoke a bite if you weren’t in the same room? Sounds like a crooked vet.

  • A lot of vets are just in it for the money. Did they recommend you take THEIR behavioural classes? I wouldn’t worry. Your dog is a puppy and it is normal for him to want to play. Obviously, he is big, so the vet might have been overwhelmed by all of it. Your dog is fine 🙂

  • Most dogs will become agitated at the vet. The other dogs and cats, strange noises, strange people and of course the smells. They can smell the chemicals, the sickness, the death. It is overwhelming to a dog. So yes, other dogs were there and yapping, barking and getting your dog excited. It happens.

    Your dog is 100 pounds. Even if he is playful, that is a big dog to control. Perhaps, they just felt a large barking dog was too risky, so they muzzled him for fear he might be aggressive.

    What I don’t understand is why did they take him away from you to get his shots? My vets have always administered shots with me there. If you are upset about what the vet tech said, perhaps you should find another vet. You need a vet that understands you and your dog.

  • Everyone can only base their opinions on their personal time around your dog. From your vet tech’s perspective – this was the only interaction she had with your dog. If you had a similar interaction with another dog – at the dog park or out on a walk you might feel the same way. You know your dog better than the vet, because you have spent more time with him. If this was out of the ordinary then you should just flake off the vet tech’s opinion. Yet, every dog needs training… so do what you will 🙂

    And remember – treats can be a great part of your relationship – http://www.thedogtreatjar.com

  • If this is your first time visiting that vet, I would suggest trying out a different vet for the next round of shots. Obviously you have a large breed dog if he is 8 months old and 100 pounds. Maybe this technician is not used to handling such a large dog and felt more comfortable with him being muzzled. Your dog may be fine with you, especially if you are calm and assertive with him. But with a stranger who might be intimidated by his size and is nervous, he may become nervous with them. I would suggest asking around about a vet in your area that specializes in the care of large or giant breed dogs.

  • Personally I’d change vets. I wouldn’t like to go to an vet who didn’t let me be there for something as simple as a shot. God knows what they did to him whilst you weren’t watching… And of course he’s not going to settle when he’s in a strange place, taken away from his family and there’s someone strange trying to stick a needle in him!

  • I’ll say just one thing…you say the ignorant breeders and yet YOU FAIL to get your dog Vaccinated when he was a puppy.Maybe if he had been to the vets as a pup he would know how to act,but you wait till you have a 100# dog to handle in a scary situation.Take your dog for proper training I think you totally understood what she was saying!!!

    ADD..Right lets blame the parents!!! Your likr all the rest on here that ask “How can I convince my parents to get me a dog” And then take no responsibility!! You took a chance with this dog not getting a serious illness and death caused by Parvo.Your lucky that this dog did’nt end up with all the other diseases that come with not vaccinating your dog as a pup..I’m sorry say whatever you want but you are wrong.If you knew in your 16 years to train a dog he would’nt of behaved this way.My 30 years plus not 20 is not to impress anyone on YA I could care less as I see they scanned right over the no vaccinations as your Q was so long.Now you say your parents were waiting for him to get neutered. When is this happening as it can be done at 6mo’s.Sure you can’t pay for a simple set of shots but your gonna come up with a couple hundred for neutering!! You get your dog from a BYB and then you treat him as such…

  • he needs to be socialized more with other dogs, in different settings, etc. True, the other dog was the instigator but your dog should have been under control enough that you could get him to stop barking. Incessant barking can be very disruptive. They should not just complain about your dog tho but about others that were barking at the time.

  • i wouldn’t take this too seriously. i work in a vets office and i have had the vet muzzle my own dog to calm him down. i was in the room with him, he didnt bark or try to bite, he was just nervous. after the muzzle was put on he actually started to calm down. some dogs just act differently in the situation. Since that was the first time he had ever been there you had no way of knowing how he would react. just because he is fine with you and strangers and other dogs any other time does not mean he will act the same way there. i would either switch vets or insist on the vet giving him the shot in the room with you. if they give him the shot in the room you wont have to worry about him barking at another dog and he will probably not have as many issues the next time.

  • Ask them for clarification and demand to be in the same room as your dog for treatment. I never trust any “professional” to take my dog away from me for treatment. No one knows a dog better than its owner and you should be there to supervise both the vet and vet tech’s behavior as well as your dog’s behavior.

    I’ve changed vets a total of 3 times in the year and a half I’ve had my dog. One vet said my dog became more anxious with my presence (sometimes the case with some owners but not true with me) and I heard my dog cry nonstop when left alone with the vet and his technicians (a complete break in character for him).

    The next vet would have three different techs hold my dog on a cold metal table (which made him nervous). She wouldn’t let me be the one handling him; I admit that some owners do not know how to stay calm and collected with their dogs at the vet, but I have worked with a lot of dogs for several years and I know how to handle such a situation. That vet would muzzle him, which would stress him out to no end (he was hyperventilating, drooling, shaking). As it turned out, the stress from being muzzled was so great for him that he broke his own tooth and I had to pay for a crown for him to prevent extraction.

    The vet I now use is the only vet I will ever use for my dog, despite having to walk over 2 miles to get there. He’s calm, gentle, and responsible; I am the only one holding my dog and my dog absolutely adores him. My dog now LOVES going to the vet. No muzzle needed, no sedation needed.

    While I would ask for clarification regarding your dog’s supposed “behavioral issues,” I find that most stable dogs that get upset at the vet are responding to a veterinarian or vet tech’s own behavioral or handling problems.

  • Well, when my dogs go to the vet for anything I am in the room with them. I have never heard of the pet being seperated from its owner for anything other than surgery.

    You being in the same room with your pet helps them especially if they act nervous. You are the familiar face who they trust. I am always with my pets and caress them and talk to them when they are getting shots. It works. I would seriously think about taking your pet to a new vet.

  • I am always present when the vet does anything to my dog. The only thing I wasn’t in the room for was her spay surgery. My vets have always wanted me in the room because it helps to keep the dog calm. Some owners inadvertently spin the dog up even more, however, so maybe the vet thought that you were making the situation more difficult to manage.

    It’s very difficult to tell what exactly happened because you did not witness the behavior that led to the muzzling, but it sounds as though the dog either nipped a tech or seemed like he was working up to it.

    If you’ve never seen any behavior that’s predictive of aggression and you have enough experience to recognize it when you see it, then I would just get him used to being handled. A lot of people don’t do this and it makes vet visits and grooming much harder than they have to be.

    To get him used to being handled, you want to get your hands on all of the dog, briefly, every day. When he’s calm, touch and manipulate his ears, his feet, look in his mouth, stroke his tail, etc. All of the dog, every day. Reward him for calmly accepting this and maybe even treat him for good behavior. The more he is handled at home, the less upset he will be when the vet or a groomer has to hold him or examine him.

    You might also want to plan your next vet visit for a time that you can be sure you have already given the dog a lot of exercise. He’ll be less reactive if he’s worked off a little excess energy before arriving at the vet’s office.

    ETA: In case you are wondering if you might have gotten the dog more worked up, here are some general guidelines:

    If you are tense and nervous, the dog can tell and that makes him more nervous. So does tightening up the leash.

    If you talk quickly and give him quick, short strokes, you are spinning him up. (Very common mistake.)

    To calm him, you have to seem relaxed yourself, even if you are acting.

    Speak to him in slow, calm tones and cadences. Gooooood Puuuuupppppyyyyy. Long, slow strokes. These are calming behaviors and should help your dog to settle. Like you are trying to get a baby to sleep. Soft, long strokes, long, drawn out syllables in your speech.

    No tension on the lead if you can manage it.

  • All good answers here; just want to put in my 2 cents worth. I’ve never had my dog taken away from me to get shots. That doesn’t happen in a good vet office!! The vet tech probably overreacted or was having a bad day. Talk to the vet, make sure he/she knows what happened that day & CHANGE VETS. You would be the best judge of whether your dog has aggressive tendencies & if you honestly don’t believe he has problems, forget about it.Good luck.

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